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	<title>Comments on: The Reformed Charismatic Balance &#8211; &#8220;The Worship Service&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Gramps</title>
		<link>http://new.theophilux.com/2008/11/10/the-reformed-charismatic-balance-the-worship-service/comment-page-1/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>Gramps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

That is excellent that you are open to the full moving of the Holy Spirit. Do you see the kinds of gifts, miracles, signs, etc. that I mentioned? If so, I would love to hear about how God is moving in your church? (This is not to say that God isn&#039;t moving in other ways, but the article is about that balance of charismatic &amp; reformed experience.) If not, do you expect to see them in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>That is excellent that you are open to the full moving of the Holy Spirit. Do you see the kinds of gifts, miracles, signs, etc. that I mentioned? If so, I would love to hear about how God is moving in your church? (This is not to say that God isn&#8217;t moving in other ways, but the article is about that balance of charismatic &#038; reformed experience.) If not, do you expect to see them in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMoss</title>
		<link>http://new.theophilux.com/2008/11/10/the-reformed-charismatic-balance-the-worship-service/comment-page-1/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gramps:

Andrew, the author of this post, is a graduate of RTS and the son of Bill Hyer, Senior Pastor of an Evangelical Presbyterian church.  I also attend the same church (Christ Church EPC).  We are open to the full work of the Holy Spirit and are reformed in our perspective.

-Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gramps:</p>
<p>Andrew, the author of this post, is a graduate of RTS and the son of Bill Hyer, Senior Pastor of an Evangelical Presbyterian church.  I also attend the same church (Christ Church EPC).  We are open to the full work of the Holy Spirit and are reformed in our perspective.</p>
<p>-Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Gramps</title>
		<link>http://new.theophilux.com/2008/11/10/the-reformed-charismatic-balance-the-worship-service/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Gramps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the emphasis on balance in this blog. As a &quot;reformed bapticostal&quot;, something that I always appreciate about a church is whether they do, indeed, display this balance. Too often, the choice becomes one of a church that emphasizes the Word or one that emphasizes the Spirit. Biblically, both are important, and every church should be actively and intentionally seeking both in every service.

I would add that the description of the charismatic churches is probably a bit limited. By its very nature, the charismatic movement reflects freedom, spontaneity, and diversity of gifts and experience. However, most of the charismatic (I&#039;ll include Pentecostal and Foursquare here) services that I have witnessed, do include clear, systematic teaching of the Word. It would be the exception when a sermon has not been prepared well in advance, and it would be the exception when it would be discarded in terms of what the Spirit seems to be doing on any given Sunday morning. It certainly does happen, but in my personal experience, it has not been the norm.

I have less experience with reformed services, but the description given seems to fit my experience, so I can&#039;t comment beyond what has been said. I would, however, love to hear from someone who has attended some reformed churches where the gifts of the Holy Spirit are routinely exercised and people are encouraged and built up not only through the Word, but through God speaking and moving through prophecy, intepretation of tongues, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, miracles, and healing, etc.

It seems to me, that any reformed church that seeks the freedom of the Holy Spirit moving in power, or any charismatic church that preaches the Word with care and diligence will display the kind of balance that I think we all are (or should be) seeking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the emphasis on balance in this blog. As a &#8220;reformed bapticostal&#8221;, something that I always appreciate about a church is whether they do, indeed, display this balance. Too often, the choice becomes one of a church that emphasizes the Word or one that emphasizes the Spirit. Biblically, both are important, and every church should be actively and intentionally seeking both in every service.</p>
<p>I would add that the description of the charismatic churches is probably a bit limited. By its very nature, the charismatic movement reflects freedom, spontaneity, and diversity of gifts and experience. However, most of the charismatic (I&#8217;ll include Pentecostal and Foursquare here) services that I have witnessed, do include clear, systematic teaching of the Word. It would be the exception when a sermon has not been prepared well in advance, and it would be the exception when it would be discarded in terms of what the Spirit seems to be doing on any given Sunday morning. It certainly does happen, but in my personal experience, it has not been the norm.</p>
<p>I have less experience with reformed services, but the description given seems to fit my experience, so I can&#8217;t comment beyond what has been said. I would, however, love to hear from someone who has attended some reformed churches where the gifts of the Holy Spirit are routinely exercised and people are encouraged and built up not only through the Word, but through God speaking and moving through prophecy, intepretation of tongues, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, miracles, and healing, etc.</p>
<p>It seems to me, that any reformed church that seeks the freedom of the Holy Spirit moving in power, or any charismatic church that preaches the Word with care and diligence will display the kind of balance that I think we all are (or should be) seeking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ateam</title>
		<link>http://new.theophilux.com/2008/11/10/the-reformed-charismatic-balance-the-worship-service/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Ateam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Steve, and you touched on something I wanted to touch on concerning charismatics but decided not to for brevity&#039;s sake.  Sadly, there is a this perverted idea that the most spiritual thing that can occur is for one to powerfully experience the presence of God.  As you said, this can lead to an individual eagerly pursuing the presence of God and if he is not in a place where the &quot;Spirit is moving&quot; then they think they ought to leave.  However, what is their grave mistake is that they are not thinking as a spiritual man but as an immature fleshly man.  For what is spiritual is love, what is spiritual is the eidification of the the church and the furthering of God&#039;s kingdom.  Thus, the purpose the service is for the edification of the body of Christ to be built up into the likeness of Christ and not mere experiences.  If experiences bring edification then praise be to God, but only edifying experiences are worthwhile, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians to the church to be zealous for manifestations that edify.  The greater purpose of a curch is to further the kingdom of God and to edify one antoher.  That should ver our VISION, not merely having experience after experience that makes some think that means they are more spiritual.  Again, the spiritual man has the vision for edification and furhtering the kingdom of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Steve, and you touched on something I wanted to touch on concerning charismatics but decided not to for brevity&#8217;s sake.  Sadly, there is a this perverted idea that the most spiritual thing that can occur is for one to powerfully experience the presence of God.  As you said, this can lead to an individual eagerly pursuing the presence of God and if he is not in a place where the &#8220;Spirit is moving&#8221; then they think they ought to leave.  However, what is their grave mistake is that they are not thinking as a spiritual man but as an immature fleshly man.  For what is spiritual is love, what is spiritual is the eidification of the the church and the furthering of God&#8217;s kingdom.  Thus, the purpose the service is for the edification of the body of Christ to be built up into the likeness of Christ and not mere experiences.  If experiences bring edification then praise be to God, but only edifying experiences are worthwhile, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians to the church to be zealous for manifestations that edify.  The greater purpose of a curch is to further the kingdom of God and to edify one antoher.  That should ver our VISION, not merely having experience after experience that makes some think that means they are more spiritual.  Again, the spiritual man has the vision for edification and furhtering the kingdom of God.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMoss</title>
		<link>http://new.theophilux.com/2008/11/10/the-reformed-charismatic-balance-the-worship-service/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a timely post.

I&#039;m reminded how Martin Luther did a tremendous thing in freeing the scriptures from the Roman church.  There was a down side, however.  When individuals interpret the meaning of scripture without following good principles they can end up way out in left field.  Our culture elevates &quot;self&quot; over everything, and the unprincipled practices many charismatics embrace are usually self-focused.

An unbalanced charismatic believer approaches the worship service without context, seeking to &quot;experience&quot; God.  The focus is on the experience and its effect on the person, rather than on the One experienced.  I make this observation because many people leave a church when they conclude that &quot;God is not moving there&quot;.  In fact, they are saying that they cannot feel/see/sense God&#039;s moving, and, in effect, stand in judgment of the pastor, leaders, other members, etc.  The only person not responsible for God&#039;s seeming lack of activity is themselves.

There&#039;s not much to say about the unbalanced Reformed believer.  He&#039;s frozen in place.  &quot;I believe what the pastor says, we pay him well to say it, and he has the Th.D. to prove he knows what he&#039;s talking about.  He tells me I&#039;m saved.  Have a nice day.&quot;

I grew up hearing, on alternating Sundays, either the Nicene or Apostles creed, and I would testify that they were meaningful as I grew in the Lord.  You say that these &quot;sum up what a Christian ought to believe.&quot;  I would suggest a rewording.  The creeds summarize historic Christian doctrine, issues that were settled by the church as God, in His Providence, worked through councils.  Thus, the creeds sum up the basic doctrines of the Christian faith, and must be believed if we are to have a right theology.

The balance issue is crucial in these days.  Both sides need to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a timely post.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded how Martin Luther did a tremendous thing in freeing the scriptures from the Roman church.  There was a down side, however.  When individuals interpret the meaning of scripture without following good principles they can end up way out in left field.  Our culture elevates &#8220;self&#8221; over everything, and the unprincipled practices many charismatics embrace are usually self-focused.</p>
<p>An unbalanced charismatic believer approaches the worship service without context, seeking to &#8220;experience&#8221; God.  The focus is on the experience and its effect on the person, rather than on the One experienced.  I make this observation because many people leave a church when they conclude that &#8220;God is not moving there&#8221;.  In fact, they are saying that they cannot feel/see/sense God&#8217;s moving, and, in effect, stand in judgment of the pastor, leaders, other members, etc.  The only person not responsible for God&#8217;s seeming lack of activity is themselves.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not much to say about the unbalanced Reformed believer.  He&#8217;s frozen in place.  &#8220;I believe what the pastor says, we pay him well to say it, and he has the Th.D. to prove he knows what he&#8217;s talking about.  He tells me I&#8217;m saved.  Have a nice day.&#8221;</p>
<p>I grew up hearing, on alternating Sundays, either the Nicene or Apostles creed, and I would testify that they were meaningful as I grew in the Lord.  You say that these &#8220;sum up what a Christian ought to believe.&#8221;  I would suggest a rewording.  The creeds summarize historic Christian doctrine, issues that were settled by the church as God, in His Providence, worked through councils.  Thus, the creeds sum up the basic doctrines of the Christian faith, and must be believed if we are to have a right theology.</p>
<p>The balance issue is crucial in these days.  Both sides need to move.</p>
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